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Can Montag killing Beatty be justified?
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It appears, on page 121 of the graphic novel, that Beatty allowed Montag to kill him. Beatty wanted Montag to spread his energy towards books to all who would listen, and if it meant sacrificing his life, he was willing to do it. This action reveals that Beatty was a part of the "good side" after all, even if he didn't physically show it throughout F451.
DeleteMontag felt as it was an injustice if he didn't kill Beatty. It was all about perspective in this part of the book and to say that Beatty's death was justified is in the eye of the beholder. If not for Montag Beatty may have tried to manipulate more and more people into believing in his false reality, but for the people that already believed in the said reality, Beatty's killing was seen as a betrayal.
Delete"There is Montag, the search is done"(Bradbury, Gn, page 139)
ReplyDelete- This quote and the rest of the page is interesting to me because the police hunted down this man because he was alone and anti-social, which is weird because their whole society is anti social and unconnected. The man they hunted down seems just like an ordinary man to me.
Really great insight, Steven. I think it's significant that his name is Guy--just an average guy/man, but capable of changing the world.
DeleteThe man they "hunted down" was considered out of the ordinary because he was just walking alone, whereas most people would drive everywhere. Their cars were so fast that they didn't care about the outside world, whereas this man did. The police probably assumed that this man was Montag, as it was a rarity for people to be walking outside.
DeleteWhy would they go after someone who means so little to their society?
DeleteI think that doing things out of the ordinary is just wrong in this society, in other words if it isn't machinery it isn't right.
DeleteI agree with this because seeing everything in the future, they probably all live a certain way and if they aren't living that way they could get in trouble.
DeleteI think that on page 123 of the graphic novel that he kinda started a revolution because of this confidence he showed by the end of pt. 2. Like when they were all saying ¨A war has begun¨. This kinda relates to when people started speaking out about the shooting recently, about how they want change, and how they want to start this revolution, like how I inferred about in the book.
ReplyDeleteIs this a relatable topic to multiple things because we keep going back to the idea that violence is the answer to conflict?
DeleteWhat is the significance of the war starting and ending so fast at the end of the book? (GN 146)
ReplyDeleteI think that maybe the war started so fast is because people were rebelling to get a change, to maybe do something instead of just sitting and watching the parlor walls. Just like how Montag's wife did. And I think that maybe the government of like the world or an outside source decided it would be better to end this whole conflict than keep it going and not have more of that knowledge going out in the public, and just control it that way.
DeleteI think the shortness of the war is significant because the society Montag lives in is more advanced than everywhere else, and their power might have scared the other parts of the world to stop, or the society just completely destroyed it's compettitor.
DeleteMontag says on page 62 of the graphic novel, "Is it because we're having too much fun at home we've forgitten the world? Is it because we're so rich and the rest of the world's so poor and we just dont care if they are?". I think that the society he lives in(or lived in, since he left) was too powerful for the rest of the world.
Does anyone in Montag's society actually love? Mildred betrays Montag's trust, even though they're married. How much does marriage mean to the people in this book?
ReplyDelete*see page 107, panels 1-5, Graphic Novel
I feel like marriage in their society is more of a tittle, and seems kind of like an arranged marriage now a day.
DeleteWhat an important question. Based upon the episode with the "Dover Beach" poem, it seems like a valid concern. These women marry, but Mrs. Phelps tells us it's all about procreation (N. 92). So, what does Bradbury show us about what's required to love and have a strong relationship?
DeleteI think there is love in this society. Yet, it might be felt, perceived, and understood differently. Mildred turning on Montag on pg 107-108 by putting in the alarm isn't out of hatred or that marriage means nothing to her. It is simply she does not know how to express her emotions or how to deal with them.
DeleteDoes the absence of books actually cause unification between religions? On page 81 of the regular novel, Faber says "I'm not a religious man. But it's been a long time." He wants to read any book, even if it is outside of his beliefs. Maybe Bradbury is hinting that we need to think less about the negatives in people and what they think, but just cherish what people say, because every opinion is unique.
ReplyDeleteReally cool insight, Nathan. Bradbury suggests that real listening is necessary to understand others' ideas, be it religious or not. Remember that it's about what's in the books and what that prompts--discussion, critical thinking, analysis of ideas, listening, making choices. None of his society is able to do this because they don't have the opportunity.
Delete" This is Fred Clement, former occupant of the Thomas Hardy Chair at Cambridge in the years before it became an atomic engineering school."(Bradbury, Gn, page 140)
ReplyDelete-I think Bradbury is saying that by keeping the bases of education, and some of the core subjects in the university, it could help prevent a society like theirs. In the book it talks about the school becoming an atomic engineering school, which I don't think is necessary to take over a whole school (keeping many different subjects of study).
One idea that I had would be that on pg 156 it states, "but every time he burnt himself up he sprang out of the ashes, he got himself born all over again," to explain the motif of the Phoenix. It symbolizes that even though some things may die away, there is always a chance of it being reborn again. This can be applied to not only the impact of books but ideas as well. The revolution with rebuilding society or simply remembering passages out of a novel.
ReplyDeleteYes, Kyra! Really great idea. I think it's also powerful that Bradbury shows us how fire can be positive, can bring about renewal.
DeleteOn page 124-125, the person in the car was indeed the person who ran over Clarisse because that person wanted to get rid of the free spirited and most caring people in this book and maybe the person in the car was Clarisse's psychiatrist
ReplyDeleteInteresting thought. The person was probably connected to both Montag and Clarisse. Potentially, Mildred killed Clarisse, after she heard about her from Montag. Then, finding out Montag was becoming like Clarisse, Mildred attempted to kill him too. I know it is a stretch, but it is another idea for who the person in the car is.
DeleteIn the book Bradbury talkes a lot about technology and how it can produce and provide for the general community. But at the same time you see that instead of fixing issues it only creates them and moraly discourages the society as a whole. You see this on page 84 and 85 in the graphic novel when the women are unable to create a meaningfull relationship and as a result they turn to technology like the TV.
ReplyDeleteWhy would technology cause more of an issue than an easy access to the community?
DeleteI agree, I think a good balance of technology and social interaction is important. Sometimes technology can be helpful in the medical field and help things get done more efficiently. However there are also a lot of down sides, like you mentioned in your quote on page 84/85.
DeleteHas technology and the interests between the people in this society become the last straws of the society as a whole or is there another thing that is holding it from crumbling down?
DeleteI agree that they are using technology instead of social interactions or replacing social interactions with the T.V.
DeleteHey, Aaron. I agree with this idea. Technology definitely can be a burden to society as a whole. A quote that I believe supports this idea reads, "A new mechanical hound has been bought from another district---" (Fahrenheit 451, 126).
DeleteI think Montag finally snapped by the pressure of knowing the truth of valuing books, and since Beatty was challenging him by trying to get him to realize books are meant to be brunt. Montag took his rage out on Beatty and set him on fire. After that he fled and though " Beatty he thought, you're not a problem now. You always said, don't face a problem burn it. Well now I've done both. Goodbye Captain." (pg 115 ). After he burnt Beatty he realized he faced and got rid of a problem that he viewed Beatty as.
ReplyDeleteI connect this to the beginning where Montag said "it's a pleasure to burn" I think before he never hated books or what they stood for he just had so much rage in his body that he loved to burn things which is why he set beatty on fire
Delete" it carried its silence with it, so you could feel the silence building up pressure behind you all across town" part 2 pg 130 F451 Is the narrator using this hound as a metaphor for the whole town being fully silent that it builds up pressure to the point where the people start to break?
ReplyDeleteCool thought, Jules. Bradbury gives us various images of silence--that of the Hound who hunts silently, so we can only feel his presence but hear him, versus a silence they're missing--that of an opportunity to sit and read and think (N. 80). Do these images of silence relate to us today?
DeleteTechnology is an issue that is current in our society today and something that we saw in Fahrenheit 451. Even though technology wasn't as advanced back in the day, Bradbury predicted that it would one day consume us and our daily lives. However, in the graphic novel, I saw one of many hints Bradbury revealed to keep us from ending up like Montag's society. On pg. 135 (GN) Montag dove into the river. The text said, "Now there was only the cold river and Montag... in sudden peacefulness... away from the city and the lights." I think that the river was used as a metaphor in a cleansing sort of way. It washed away all of Montag's worries in that moment and I think it shows that one should push away from technology and worries and step outside for a moment. We are all too worried about our changing society and we never take the time to relax in the moment. So I think Bradbury wants us to take breaks from what exhausts us.
ReplyDeleteI agree, maybe even though it was written so long ago, maybe since this book is kinda influenced by WWII that their use of bombs and like newer technology kinda gave them that being controlled and threatened technology thought to the book.
DeleteIn the end of the book Montag is finally excepted in a place full of people that had figured out the truth about their society. It is full of people that are warm and helping, trying to help Montag hide from the hounds. They know the struggle of trying to stay hidden and the madding sense of knowing all that goes on around them and not being able to tell anyone or express their anguish. The quote "It's all right," the voice said. "You're welcome here." (pg. 140) describes the welcomeness and consideration of the men that are trying to help Montag.
ReplyDeleteYes the men did welcome Montag because they too were all chased out of society for keeping books. Also the men shared coffee and bacon with Montag showing they want him around. The men and Montag have a similarity which is that they all valued books.
DeleteIn the book you see and overwelming support for violence like with the clown tv show Mildred and her freinds watch or the kids who clarisse says kill each other. as a result the community in Farenhite 451 have lost all sense of responsibility and instead try and replace it with a sense of mindless entertainment.
ReplyDeleteThis is true just like in today's world when we are occupied with our phones because the amount of tweets and likes we get thrills us making us feel better about ourselves just like in the book how they resort to violence to get the fulfillment they need.
DeleteIn this book there is censorship against the bible for example when they burn it thus causing a war on God. There is a war on God in today's society for example when same sex marriage was legalized in the America, there were some heterosexual couples that went to churches and asked if they could be legally wed by a pastor/priest. Most of the time the pastor/priest would say no because it goes against their 1st amendment right of freedom of religion. The bible is very clear that same sex marriage is not accepted in the christian faith. SOme of those heterosexual couples that got denied by the church were sued by the couples and most of the time the church lost. This resulted in the churches being shut down. This is a real life example of the war on God in today's society similar to that of fahrenheit 451.
ReplyDeleteThe censorship to the bible in Fahrenheit 451 is that people can't read books in general, not just the bible. The fact that religion is not in the society of Fahrenheit 451. Like today where not as many people believe in a religion. There is no mention of same sex marriage in Fahrenheit 451.
DeleteOn page 136 the novel reads "glanced at the TV". The use of the acronym TV was rare in this book, as they usually used the words "Parlor walls". Do you think this was an actual TV in Faber's house, or was it just the same as all of the other "TV's"?
ReplyDeleteIn the graphic novel, it's just another parlor wall.
DeleteI think that Faber had an old TV, not parlor walls, because if you look in the graphic novel on page 129, you can see a normal-looking TV mounted on a wall, displaying Montag's recntly burned home.
DeleteI believe Ray Bradbury used the acronym of TV once in while just to show the connections between that and a parlor wall. It helps understand and create an image in ones head. Pg 136
DeleteHow do you think Montag thought about leaving Mildred?
ReplyDeleteI think that Montag did not care that he had to leave Mildred because they had no real love in their relationship just like the person you have to sit next to on the bus. You have no issues walking away from them just like MOntag should have had no issues walking away from Mildred.
DeleteI find it interesting at the end that Montag says that he won't miss her, but then finally remembers how they met (N. 148-9; 152). This passage suggests that Montag did feel something for her even if he thought he didn't.
DeleteMontag didn't miss Mildred and overall felt weird about it and like he should have but I think throughout the book Mildred wasn't supportive of him like books cause she thought they weren't real which weighed him down and also in this book the societies relationships were almost never genuine enough for people to care if there significant other left them. They were moving so fast they never had time to develop real feelings Montag states in part 3 148 "Even if she dies, I realized a moment ago, I don't think I'll feel sad"
DeleteI think Montag was very upset about leaving Mildred because she was the only person he thought he knew, and the only social interations he had with another person, even though it was very few or none.
DeleteOn page 136 Montag was running away form being hunted form the Hound, and Police after he had brunt Beatty and knocked out two other firemen. He reached the river and experienced his freedom." The river was very real ; it held him comfortably and gave him the time to last, the leisure, to consider this month, this year, and a lifetime of years." (pg 136). Now that Montag ran away form the society that had taken away the meanings of both books and knowledge he can enjoy the moment of freedom he has gained.
ReplyDeleteWhich I think it so powerfully communicated through the river image. What might this image show symbolically has happened to Montag?
DeleteI definitely have to agree with you on that one. One quote that really emphasizes this reads, "The innocent man stood bewildered, a cigarette burning in his hand." (Fahrenheit 451, 142). I think that the bewildered part of how he feels represent his new understanding of the world while the cigarette represent the damage he's done to himself.
DeleteHow has Montag changed from the beginning of the book when he started opening up to Clarisse's ways of living? (GN Pg. 26)
ReplyDeleteAs Bradbury offers the world a new way to change in life, Montag is a real character that stands out in the way he changes and as sometime we can do, Montag has really changed into a visionary type of person in the way that sees change in the future.
DeleteHow conceivable is the future envisioned in this novel ?
ReplyDeleteNot really. You get Montag meeting a group of other people, and the book ends.
DeleteGood question, Mason. Let's consider the technology Bradbury describes. What similarities are there?
DeleteDo we know people who are engrossed in their electronics?
Do you have friends who are only online? That you've never met?
Do we have threats of nuclear war?
Do we have problems with finding and understanding accurate information?
"When the war is over, perhaps we can be of some us in the world. We'll pass the books on to our children, by word of mouth, and let our children wait, in turn, on the other people"(Gn, 145). This quote is saying that not all the knowledge and wisdom comes from books, but also peoples interpretations and opinions that are passed down generation to generation. This is important to have conflict and opinions in our society about "hot topics, because having passion and ambition is what drives society.
ReplyDeleteThe whole situation in this society instantly brings to mind a connection about Nazi Germany and how the nations under their control had very strict rules, a powerful and ruthless police force and a lot of propaganda to brainwash the society. This became clear on page 129 of the GN when it says: "Mechanical hound never fails. Never since its first day in tracking quarry has this incredible machine made a mistake..." and "...nose so sensitive the mechanical hound can remember and identify ten thousand odor indexes"(129). The amount of power the mechanical hound has, which is a form of law enforcement in this society, is very high due to the amount of propaganda on the hound.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Bradbury is suggesting that those who hold the truth and knowledge hold the most power, and visa-versa.
DeleteRylan, you notice something so important about the power of persuasion. What do you think Bradbury is suggesting about truth and its relationship to power?
DeleteLook back at the titles for each part. What do they reveal about character development and theme? For example, Part 1 is called "The Hearth and the Salamander" whereas Part 3 is called "Burning Bright."
ReplyDeleteThe titles tell a story in their own way about how Montag is beginning to grow into his own, as in describing stages in his life that conspire to how he gets to a point of realization and communication that shows he is capable of being and acting like one would think a human would act.
DeleteHe is both really, because he has the potential to change but so many people see him as so many things, so he has a lot to deal with.
DeleteIs Montag the bad guy of the story or just a villain in the eyes of his society? Reference pages 102-106
ReplyDeleteI believe he is only a villan in the eyes of his society. As our class has previously discussed, Montag is the protagonist, and if he had suceeded ( the ending of the book has him escape, but not really change much), he'd be what we would call the 'hero'.
DeleteThis is a very good question and Montag can be viewed as the bad or good guy based on what perspective you choose to take. In the eyes of a reader, you can infer that Montag was just a very curious man trying to make sense of his society. There's no harm there but you know that he's different from others. As soon as his boss, Beatty, comes to role you can tell that he tries to push Montag back into normality with everyone else. (GN Pg. 52) Towards the end of the book, we see that Montag has made decisions in which he actually killed his boss and a war started. Though, this pushes change to occur instead of the life that they live currently. However, once you view this in the eyes of their society, most people are so sucked in with their technology and other advancements to the point where they don't want change. So when they see a man causing so much destruction, (GN Pg. 116-119) they'll see him as a villain.
DeleteI think Bradbury stresses the importance of separation from technology in the novel. Be it for 10 minutes, or 10 decades, Bradbury thinks that technology is taking people away from each other, and isolating everyone away from one another.
ReplyDeletei agree with because when ever we visit family or family visits us my parents tell us no phones or games and to talk to our friends and family.
DeleteI also agree with your statement. I find it interesting that technology wasn't as huge of a deal when Bradbury first published this book. Somehow he knew that our society would be sucked into its trap. You can even see in the graphic novel where the character, Mildred, cares more about her TV show than her own husband. (GN Pg. 43) It's pretty sad what our society can come to and we need to find more ways to interact face-to-face.
DeleteDo you think hope or fear drives changes the most? Fear (N Pg. 108) Hope (N Pg. 156)
ReplyDeleteI believe that fear would drive the most change as not many people will envision a place where fear isn't involved with society
DeleteI personally think that fear drives people to change the world. Because it can give someone the proper motivation to change the world in order to make it a more safe enviorment for their family and the people around them and its because of fear people know when something needs to be changed.
DeleteI would agree that fear drives change the most. In recent events regarding change throughout the world, such as climate change and global warming threats, the fear that the world might become unsustainable drives people to act in a way to create that change more than hope ever would.
DeleteOne of the things that stuck out to me was that on page 61-62(GN), Millie didn't know how to react to Montag's sudden burst of free thought. That must have been pretty awkward for her. A question that rose from this part of the book, was if free thought is banned, where would the human race go from there?
ReplyDeleteif free thought was banned then no new idea or inventions would be made and nothing to help support the human race would exist from when free thought was banned
DeleteEverett, I think this is an innately important question! On the surface, one might argue that free thought cannot be banned because people cannot control our minds. However, what we do with the thought can be controlled. And, Bradbury suggests that we let people control it if we're "having so much fun at home [that] we've forgotten the world" or when "we're so rich and the rest of the world's so poor, and we just don't care if they are..." (GN 62).
DeleteOn pages 134-135 in the Graphic Novel, a light color of blue is used as a background to symbolize Montag's serenity of finally being free of the society he came to despise. This relates back to the rain scene with Clarisse (pages 21-25) because the color of blue is almost the same, telling us as readers that he is either reminded of Clarisse at that moment or he felt the same serenity in both situations.
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DeleteDoes he feel saved by Clarisse because of how she opened his eyes to the real world in the first place?
DeleteExcellent analysis, Lindsey. Clarisse is indeed the catalyst for his change. She helps him see the beauty of the world and finally be at peace; I find it important that he mentions her again the regular novel on pp. 138 when he realizes that "Once, long ago, Clarisse had walked here, where he was walking now."
DeleteI think that throughout the book people kinda speak in a like non grammatically correct way. Like when beatty did so, it kinda showed the reader what happens when you stop reading. I also feel like that this shows that they kinda just make stuff up on the spot to get way, like no textual evidence, or even evidence for the fact. And I guess Montag was just fed up with that. So when he started reading he found a newer and better way to speak to the people around him.
ReplyDeleteat the end of the book we see the government lying about Montag's survival. Was this justified?
ReplyDeleteI noticed that Faber's definition of a book had such a meaning that it almost sounded like he was describing a person. (N Pg. 79) Towards the end of the book, Montag flees the city and finds other men just like him. These men had much knowledge of past readings that they even considered themselves the book itself. (GN Pg. 143) I think both the men and Faber had a connection where they knew that you just couldn't destroy books because "people" live inside them. They all have different meanings and relevance to one's life that they're too valuable to destroy. So this answers one of the Essential Questions as to, "Are books worth saving?"
ReplyDeleteDuring today's society it can be fought that we are losing our touch with some of the key aspects of humanity. Bradburry is using Fahrenheit 451 as like a message to try to rebuild the society back up with like the use of teaching out children what needs to be taught ( like books for them Pg. 144 GN), and thats how we can rebuild our society, by our children and our children's children.
ReplyDeleteI think a solution that Ray Bradbury offers is to just go outside more often and find deeper connections. I believe this because on pg 154 in the novel it says, "Silence fell down in the sifting dust, and all the leisure they might need to look around. to gather the reality of this day into their senses," demonstrating how after the bombing, Montag was in nature and yet still found peace. He found a welcoming society that wants to strive for good. Also, finding books and people passionate to make a difference. All of this occurring outside the bounds of the city and restrictions of society.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you think Kyra. You can see at the beginning of the graphic novel when Montag first met Clarisse, she was outside very late. (GN Pg. 7) He asks what she was doing out and she said, "I like to walk, smell things and look at things, and sometimes stay up all night, walking, and watching the sun rise." These actions are what made Clarisse so different from everyone else yet she was so happy with the way she was living. If everyone in that society wanted to find happiness, they need to find other ways instead of depleting all of their time in technology.
DeleteIn the book one of the issues is censorship of certain things the government doesn't want it's people to see. This censorship leaves out all room for discussion and the most important part of discussion the opposing side. One issue America is facing today is gun violence. Many people on the far left think the solution to the problem is more gun control and the recent protests of gun violence have only showed support for gun control and protesting pro gun organizations like the NRA. We have heard little about the pro gun right wing side of things. Just like in fahrenheit 451 they were only given one side of the argument to work with leaving no room for discussion and no room for a good argument leaving no way to find a solution to the problems they have in society.
ReplyDeleteI agree I think that it is important to show both sides of the argument regardless if you agree or disagree.
DeleteIn the book Montag was scared of being caught so I don't necessarily think that he was willing to be the face of an uproar or a change to the society just that he was a man that had had the realization that his society was messed up. Don't we all have that realization at some point or another, that something that is going on just doesn't sit well with you? A time when Montag was afraid was page 139 while running from the hounds, because he knew the truth, when they didn't want him to. "He stopped, afraid he might blow the fire out with a single breath... That small motion, the white and red color, a strange fire because it meant a different thing to him." This quote also shows how much that realization had already changed the way that Montag was beginning to see things, including the one thing he couldn't seem to live with out, the thrill of a fire burning.
ReplyDeleteIn this way, perhaps Montag and Faber are more similar than we initially think. Montag was willing to risk and sacrifice, but ultimately, he'll need the group to make a change.
DeleteThis reminds me of, in the beginning of the book, Montag approached the hound and the hound didn't like him (pg. 28 GN). I think that Montag was different like Clarisse from the beginning. I feel like Clarisse helped Montag to find his true self. Why didn't Captain Beatty catch the that fact the hound was aggressive towards Montag and that Montag may be different?
DeleteI think an important moment in the book is when Montag asks Faber for help. I think it shows that Montag is brave enough to do whatever he needs to do (pg 65 GN). This reminds me of Montag's flashback to the park with Faber. I don't think Montag ever had anything against books he wasn't angry with Faber for reading a book (pg. 64 GN).
ReplyDeleteWell said, Shae! We might assume that the other men also try to make a change like Montag. I wonder if the nuclear war was a coincidence, happens at the same time as Montag's uprising OR if the war is because of his questions. If so, then Montag is more powerful than we might have assumed before.
DeleteI think Bradbury's solution is for society to balance chaos and order, rather than expelling chaos as a whole. For example, on page 32 in the graphic novel, Clarisse says, "I'm afraid of children my own age. They kill each other. Six of my friends have been shot in the last year alone." Clarisse suggests that the society is so fixated on order, the students have to create chaos to entertain themselves.
ReplyDeleteThe solution that Bradbury gives after the society was bombed, was to start new with the past. "And on ether side of the river was there a tree of life, which bore twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruits every month; And the leaves on the tree were for the healing of nations" (pg 158). This quote shows that there is a point were a society gets out of hand to a point where they are at war with a another country and lose they need a new fresh start. For example after Germany was defeated in WWII. There were restrictions on what they could do so that they did not repeat the same mistake. Also this reminds me of 1984 written by George Orwell. This book describes the society in 1984 even know the book was published in the 1940's. But it describes a futuristic society where the government is watching and monitoring everything everyone is doing. Also this society is also at war with another country.
ReplyDeleteI agree. In order to fix the world we live in, the best option is to start over, which is a very clear solution outlined by Bradbury on page 149 of the GN. Starting over can solve problems that involve the entire world or just a single individual.
DeleteBradbury wants us to see the scarceness of people willing to help and people capable of holding real conversations without relying on other devices to insinuate the topic or the way the said people were supposed to act in a societal situation. Page 140 to 158 show that people are capable of being kind and helpful to each other, with Granger showing Montag how to survive in hiding without getting hurt or caught and thrown in prison for the rest of his life.
ReplyDeleteThe solution is all in the idea that reality is better than the fiction we portray on our devices and that if we aren't contained in that idea that it has to be all about themselves than people can be genuine and kind to one another.
DeleteDid they really just kill a random person instead of Montag at the end of the book?
ReplyDeleteMontag going to see Faber for help and clarity after nearly getting ran over by the car (pages 127-130) shows their equal trust in each other; Montag's in telling Faber what happened after the audio-capsule incident, and Faber's in allowing Montag to come in, even though he is being chased by the government. This is a great example of how people with the same mindset /ideology grow closer together, especially since, as Montag's view changed from Beatty's, they grew apart and didn't see so eye-to-eye (46-51).
ReplyDeleteDo you think that a world like this in the book could ever happen or come very close to something like it?
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ReplyDeleteOne quote that represents Bradbury's philosophy reads, "The other men did likewise. The sun was touching the black horizon with a faint red tip." (Fahrenheit 451, 155). Bradbury is essentially arguing that emotions cannot be stripped from us regardless the amount of censorship the world has. The solution that he is stressing the importance of is to slow down, and analyze things for more than their face value.
ReplyDeleteOne of the most interesting quotes that I saw reads, "I've heard there are still hobo camps all across the country, here and there; walking camps they call them, and if you keep walking far enough and keep an eye peeled, they say there's a lot of Harvard degrees on the tracks between here and Los Angeles" (Fahrenheit 451, 126). Do you all believe that this is the direct consequence of making everyone equal to the lowest common denominator?
ReplyDelete"He saw many hands held in its warmth, without arms, hidden in darkness" (Fahrenheit 451, 129). Does this moment represent his new understanding of knowledge, and the negative side of censorship (Edit: I forgot to add the page number on this one).
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Something that stood out to me is how firemen in the book is so much different then in our world today, firemen in the book is people who burn books and start the fires vs firemen today put out fires.
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